Raamdeo Agrawal portfolio: 4 midcap IT shares ready to interrupt into the large league: Raamdeo Agrawal

MUMBAI: Digitization of companies is the important thing theme of Motilal Oswal Monetary Providers’ annual wealth creation examine this 12 months. In an interview , the agency’s chairman Raamdeo Agrawal spoke in regards to the influence of digitization on Indian firms and the inventory market. Excerpts:

How are you analyzing digitally-driven new-age companies like Zomato, Nykaa and Paytm?
Lots of the digital tales are simply beginning. They’re simply 3-5-year-old companies. We’re the place the US was within the early 2000s. Look what has occurred previously 20 years. India is in the same place. The attention-grabbing a part of this house is that there might be just one winner and that winner goes to take all of it. For the winner, the valuation potential goes to be proportional. But when the enterprise turns into a loser, the investor can pay a giant value. What’s worse is that you just have no idea what’s going to work and what is not going to. As an example, an organization units up a cement plant of 25 million tonnes. You will be sure that even when the enterprise fails, the promoter may promote the asset and salvage issues. The identical can’t be mentioned a few fintech firm, which fails to ship. Whereas the corporate has made investments, there aren’t any property to again it. So, that is going to be a giant threat.

Are there similarities between the increase in new-age companies and the dotcom bubble?
You’re both excessive on digital or low on digital. If you end up excessive on digital however you haven’t any actual enterprise mannequin, it’s a dotcom firm. As an example, some fintech corporations are absolutely digital-driven however they don’t have a correct enterprise mannequin. Majority of the businesses in India are digital aspirants right this moment however only a few have managed to maneuver to an area the place a robust enterprise mannequin is being pushed by digital capabilities.

So, how can an investor establish a possible success story within the digitally-driven world?
In our wealth creation report, we’re differentiating companies as Atoms (physically-enabled companies) and Bits (digitally-driven companies). Progress will be very excessive for Bits however essentially the most essential half might be longevity of the enterprise. As an example, the query might be whether or not Zomato does effectively for the subsequent 5 years or the subsequent 25 years. So, it is going to be about survival of the fittest. All winners can have 4-5 elements. First, they are going to be a part of a really giant enterprise alternative the place there’s a chance of hyper progress. There must be a terrific product match. Let’s take the case of Zerodha. The chance measurement may be very giant. India trades Rs80 lakh crore a day. In that, Zerodha has 20% market share as a result of his product market match is ideal and clients adore it. The opposite level is does the enterprise have a large distribution or is it simply restricted to a selected space. If the corporate survives, you’ll have underpaid for the enterprise. This section is designed for progress. However the market will maintain leaving out these additional returns for progress firms out of worry.

The extent of digitization appears to be driving valuations of economic companies corporations.
Let me speak particularly about banks. In 1995, the migration in market share began from PSUs to personal sector banks. In 2021, there’s migration occurring from the personal sector and no matter is left of PSUs to digital banks. The digital banks needn’t be model new banks however would be the present ones which are scaling up their digitization processes comparable to buyer onboarding to servicing.

Banks and monetary companies corporations comparable to ICICI Financial institution, HDFC Financial institution, Axis and Kotak are all robust contenders to transition there. Within the race amongst banks, ICICI is forward, HDFC Financial institution is slowly choosing up, Axis has received terrific management on the digital facet however there have been some points on the enterprise facet. However now individuals say Axis’ progress goes to leapfrog. Newer banks comparable to AU, which should not have any legacy, are discovering it simpler to maneuver into this house. IDFC First is sweet at digital however their enterprise mannequin has some issues.

So, what I wish to emphasize is that it needs to be digital and a superb enterprise mannequin. Digital and a nasty enterprise mannequin doesn’t work. On this race, many public sector banks are more likely to be left behind and the personal sector banks will proceed consuming into their market share as a result of they’re onboarding purchasers at a quick tempo digitally. So, buyers ought to take a look at alternatives inside digital aspirants that can obtain an ideal mixture of robust enterprise and excessive diploma of digital quotient.

What about inventory broking corporations?
Within the inventory market companies, buying and selling volumes have grown over the previous 20 years primarily due to digitization. Submit Covid, consumer onboarding has grow to be digital. So, consumer onboarding, buying and selling and settlement have grow to be digital. This is the reason turnover has grown to an outstanding Rs80 lakh crore a day. Going digital is the one different to outlive. Angel One has additionally finished effectively to transition to robust enterprise design with a excessive diploma of digitization. Earlier, it was identical to a conventional broking agency. Now, it has modified its enterprise mannequin fully. One other giant firm within the sector ICICI Securities is struggling to maneuver into that league. If Motilal Oswal Monetary Providers doesn’t digitize its enterprise, we may also be forgotten sooner or later as a result of that’s the place the world goes.

Why are you so optimistic about Indian IT companies companies in your wealth creation examine?
They’re in a candy spot as a result of all people desires to go digital. Firms like TCS and Infosys are servicing purchasers throughout the spectrum and they’re the last word beneficiaries of the digitization wave. The market isn’t understanding the longevity of those IT firms. They are going to have the ability to service an present giant firm like Netflix. If there’s one other firm within the house, they may service that one additionally. I feel lots of people will not be appreciating the longevity a part of the IT companies at PE (Worth to Earnings) of 30-35 instances. My sense is that TCS would be the first firm to achieve Rs1 lakh crore in revenue each year in three or 4 years. Buyers might be rewarded as a result of the vast majority of the cash will attain them by way of dividends. Furthermore, the mortality fee of those firms might be zero not like a digital firm. That mentioned, buyers want persistence as a result of numerous progress has been priced in. The purpose to purchase these firms could be the time international buyers lose religion within the Indian IT sector. Amazon received listed at $15 and went as much as $100 however throughout Y2K, the inventory crashed to $5. The powerful half was to think about the corporate at $5. That is the explanation why there aren’t any unique buyers aside from Jeff Bezos left in Amazon. So, I’m fairly sure there are 4 mid-sized Indian IT firms exterior the large 4 which are ready to interrupt into the large league.

Reliance Industries has been the most important wealth creator previously 5 years. Can this profitable run proceed?
Reliance may be very formidable as a result of they’re transferring rapidly on the digital facet. 5 years in the past, buyers thought-about Jio as a adverse worth. At this time, Jio is a large optimistic worth. Once more, there was hardly any digital retail over 5 years again. Now, this enterprise is big. Furthermore, the petro-chemicals enterprise can be doing effectively. Mukesh Ambani has invested all the corporate’s money move within the new age companies. Now, Jio is implementing value will increase. This might be a sign that the group desires companies to be self-sustaining earlier than separating the companies. I’m very bullish on the telecom enterprise the best way it is structured in India. Information pricing will solely enhance. How briskly costs will go up is the query.

Auto shares have been underperformers. Are they worth picks?
The depressed valuation at the moment is the worry whether or not the prevailing gamers will have the ability to transfer to EVs at a quick tempo when it is required. The day the market is satisfied that would occur valuations may also shoot up. There isn’t any product motion right here and the incumbents are conscious of this. There isn’t any readability on their digital technique. The market share within the Indian auto trade is with 4-5 gamers. There must be a robust participant like Ola which comes and disturbs this equation. The investor notion is that the sector isn’t digitizing sufficient or giving a convincing roadmap of the EV shift. That is why the PE a number of is falling.

What do you make of the continual promoting by overseas buyers of Indian shares?
FPIs suppose India is the most costly rising market and it’s higher to promote right here and purchase China or Indonesia. Whereas India’s PE is within the late-20s, China’s PE is in single digits. Regardless of all of the noise, firms are doing effectively in China, whereas valuations are down. Let’s not neglect that China is a a lot greater digital market and is rising a lot quicker. That may occur right here additionally. So, it isn’t like Indian markets will see a one-way journey. Market has a manner of adjusting itself.

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